[Discuss] network admin (in-progress) needs help
Tim Holloway
timothyjholloway at gmail.com
Thu Aug 14 20:08:18 CDT 2008
i just want to let everyone know that, after some struggle, i got our dell
server co-operating with samba under CentOS and will be transferring
everything this evening.
thanks everyone, especially bill, for their help!
it seems this stuff really takes a lot of effort to learn. books seem
detached from what i'm trying to do, but all the errors (or a lot of them)
are addressed online. vive le internet!
it's nice to shoot this stuff past the local lug, though. it means a lot
that you cared to reply at all.
so thanks again, peoples!
tim
On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 6:33 PM, Tim Holloway <timothyjholloway at gmail.com>wrote:
> you know what it was, everyone? i didn't set open permissions on the parent
> directory!!
>
> darn!
>
> i'm backing up everything now (to a more familiar kubuntu), and will be
> switching back to CentOS here, eventually.
>
> thank you all for letting me fill you inboxes again with my concerns. it
> seems experience, falling on my face, and a merciful employer are key to
> learning the ropes... but i will be a great teacher, one day.
>
> and thank you so much, bill, for your attention and help. i would have
> given up a lot sooner if it hadn't been for you.
>
> cheers,
>
> tim
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 10:41 PM, Tim Holloway <timothyjholloway at gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> thanks for the questions. i think they may be even more helpful than
>> answers, at this point.
>>
>> i will definitely investigate more thoroughly, tomorrow.
>>
>> have a good night and a good morning, bill.
>>
>> tim
>>
>> ps: i believe this server is only a file server. it offers no more
>> "services" than any other computer on the network, as they are all
>> available, file-wise, to each other. and this file server is connected the
>> same way the windows computer next to it is.
>>
>> i will (at last) utilize the almighty ping (!)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 10:10 PM, Bill Leuze <billeuze at shaw.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Tim
>>>
>>> Accessing from an outside IP address is another story altogether - yes
>>> check what routers allow. But there is no need to look at routers if the
>>> computer right there plugged into the same network as the server can't
>>> access it. You'll have to start with the local computers. Have you confirmed
>>> that it is on the same network - can you ping it?. What IP address does this
>>> compaq have? Are there any other servers on the network? does this Dell run
>>> any other services that are required for the network (like DHCP)? If not, is
>>> there a DHCP server on the network (the router maybe) or are all
>>> workstations running static IPs? if all static are you sure your new compaq
>>> doesn't have same address as another on the network?
>>>
>>> Just a few of the first questions that come to mind.
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>> At 05:34 PM 2008-07-28, you wrote:
>>> >hi bill.
>>> >
>>> >thanks for all your help.
>>> >
>>> >unfortunately, after doing everything you suggested and double- (even
>>> >triple-) checking it, this compaq still doesn't come up the way it
>>> should.
>>> >
>>> >i'm going to investigate the models of routers/hubs and see if something
>>> is
>>> >simply blocking outside ip addresses.
>>> >
>>> >strangely, COMPAQ_SRV has come up when i replace the dell file server
>>> with
>>> >the compaq, yet the windows computer right beside it (which i've been
>>> told
>>> >has NOTHING to do with the server and is like any other computer on the
>>> >network) can't access it.
>>> >
>>> >a pop-up message comes up and tells me so... unfortunately, in my haste
>>> to
>>> >get the job done as quickly as possible, i didn't write the entire thing
>>> >down.
>>> >
>>> >but i thank you for your help all the more.
>>> >
>>> >if i can't solve this myself, i'll record all the steps i've taken and
>>> take
>>> >the analytical approach, breaking down the problem as much as possible
>>> so
>>> >someone more experienced won't waste a lot of time.
>>> >
>>> >thanks again, bill.
>>> >
>>> >cheers,
>>> >
>>> >tim
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 5:06 PM, Bill Leuze <billeuze at shaw.ca> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Hi tim
>>> >>
>>> >> I'm back home for a brief moment
>>> >>
>>> >> I see in your Dell config is quite different than the compaq.So if you
>>> >> want to just drop in the Compaq as a replacement, it'd probably work
>>> >> better to configure it the same. Just save your compaq config with a
>>> >> different name, then copy this dell config over to the compaq (but
>>> >> change the netbios name to something else while the 2 are running at
>>> the
>>> >> same time). Once you've tested and confirmed it's working, you can
>>> shut
>>> >> down the dell, change the compaq netbios name to dell_srv, restart
>>> samba
>>> >> and your users won't know that anything has changed.
>>> >>
>>> >> with this config you won't have to worry about user accounts and
>>> >> passwords, you've got it set to guest access and permissions to 777,
>>> >> it's wide open - anyone can use the one share that is setup.
>>> >>
>>> >> Probably, The only thing else to make sure of is that on your compaq,
>>> >> you have a directory (or symbolic link pointing to some other
>>> >> directory) /server/lewkowich/ and that in that directory you have
>>> >> everything that is in that directory on the dell. Also, just to be
>>> sure,
>>> >> check what the owner and permissions are in /server/lewkowich/ of the
>>> >> dell machine and make it the same in the compaq (or just set it to 777
>>> >> since that seems to be what's happening there - note, I am not
>>> >> recommending wide open permissions as a final solution. but if you
>>> just
>>> >> want it get it working the same as always before ...)
>>> >>
>>> >> Bill
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Thu, 2008-07-24 at 08:45 -0700, Tim Holloway wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> > thank YOU, bill.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > here is a (much simpler) smb.conf from the Dell server:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > [global]
>>> >> > workgroup = geotech
>>> >> > server string = DELL
>>> >> > netbios name = dell_srv
>>> >> > restrict anonymous = no
>>> >> > security = SHARE
>>> >> > password server = None
>>> >> > socket options = TCP_NODELAY
>>> >> >
>>> >> > [lewkowich]
>>> >> > path = /server/lewkowich/
>>> >> > guest ok = yes
>>> >> > writeable = yes
>>> >> > case sensitive = no
>>> >> > msdfs proxy = no
>>> >> > force user = nobody
>>> >> > force group = nobody
>>> >> > force directory mode = 0777
>>> >> > force create mode = 0777
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > ;[global]
>>> >> > ; workgroup = GEOTECH
>>> >> > ; server string = DELL
>>> >> > ; netbios name = dell_srv
>>> >> > ; restrict anonymous = no
>>> >> > ; username map = /etc/samba/smbusers
>>> >> > ; password server = None
>>> >> > ; guest ok = yes
>>> >> >
>>> >> > ;[lewkowich]
>>> >> > ; path = /server/lewkowich
>>> >> > ; writeable = yes
>>> >> > ; guest ok = yes
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > see how simple this file is? argh! and it's mostly commented out!
>>> >> >
>>> >> > i hope it works for me.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > tim
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > On 7/23/08, Bill Leuze <billeuze at shaw.ca> wrote:
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > Thanks Tim
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > we'd need to see your smb.conf from the dell server too to see
>>> what it
>>> >> > > is you are trying to do with the compaq.
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > I'd venture a guess though as to what is going on with your
>>> duplicate
>>> >> > > name problem: The Samba server will announce itself as what is
>>> listed
>>> >> as
>>> >> > > the 'netbios name' in your smb.conf. Your 'netbios name' entry is
>>> >> > > commented out (which is probably why it announces itself as
>>> >> 'localhost'.
>>> >> > > And assuming that the Dell config is the same, then sure, they are
>>> both
>>> >> > > announcing themselves as 'localhost'. I'd suggest uncomenting and
>>> >> > > setting netbios name = Compaq. (the server string entry is what
>>> shows
>>> >> > > up in the comments column in the windows network neighbourhood
>>> browser
>>> >> -
>>> >> > > put something descriptive here like "geotech file server").
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > Of course after editing the smb.conf you have restart the smbd and
>>> nmbd
>>> >> > > services for it to take effect. I don't how it's done on CentOS.
>>> on my
>>> >> > > system, its:
>>> >> > > /etc/init.d/samba restart
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > Good luck. I hope someone else is tuned in tomorrow when you're
>>> trying
>>> >> > > again, I'll be gone all morning
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > Bill
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > On Wed, 2008-07-23 at 19:04 -0700, Tim Holloway wrote:
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > > thanks for your patience, bill.
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > here is what i copied from smb.conf:
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > #======================= Global Settings
>>> >> > > > =====================================
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > [
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > > i actually got this windows xp box to recognize "COMPAQ
>>> (Localhost)"
>>> >> > > among
>>> >> > > > the names of workstations on the network, but i get a message
>>> saying
>>> >> that
>>> >> > > > //Localhost is not accessible, you might not have permission,
>>> then
>>> >> "You
>>> >> > > were
>>> >> > > > not connected because a duplicate name exists on the network";
>>> go to
>>> >> > > system
>>> >> > > > in control panel to change the computer name then try again.
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > of course, when i do so on this particular computer, (the
>>> windows box
>>> >> > > next
>>> >> > > > to the temporary COMPAQ server), i'm allowed to rename the
>>> windows
>>> >> > > > computer....
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > anyway, i think i'm giving up for today. too much coffee...
>>> can't
>>> >> think
>>> >> > > > straight.
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > thanks for your attention, though. i appreciate it. will try
>>> again
>>> >> > > tomorrow.
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > cheers,
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > tim
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 6:16 PM, Bill Leuze <billeuze at shaw.ca>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > > Tim
>>> >> > > > >
>>> >> > > > > How about you post the /etc/samba/smb.conf files of the old
>>> dell
>>> >> and of
>>> >> > > the
>>> >> > > > > new compaq for us to look at
>>> >> > > > >
>>> >> > > > > And I'm assuming that the directories you are sharing with the
>>> dell
>>> >> > > samba
>>> >> > > > > server also exist on the compaq server with the same path and
>>> the
>>> >> same
>>> >> > > > > permissions.
>>> >> > > > >
>>> >> > > > > Lets start with the smb.conf to see what is your config
>>> >> > > > >
>>> >> > > > > Bill
>>> >> > > > >
>>> >> > > > > At 05:11 PM 2008-07-23, you wrote:
>>> >> > > > > >oh, and the real issue, of course, is that, even though i've
>>> set
>>> >> up
>>> >> > > > > >everything besides the users, the share isn't appearing on
>>> the
>>> >> > > network...
>>> >> > > > > >however, the workgroup, when i'd labeled it differently, DID
>>> >> appear on
>>> >> > > the
>>> >> > > > > >windows box by the server... but when i clicked on it, i got
>>> >> nowhere.
>>> >> > > > > >
>>> >> > > > > >cheers.
>>> >> > > > > >
>>> >> > > > > >On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 5:08 PM, Tim Holloway <
>>> >> > > timothyjholloway at gmail.com
>>> >> > > > > >
>>> >> > > > > >wrote:
>>> >> > > > > >
>>> >> > > > > >> hi bill.
>>> >> > > > > >>
>>> >> > > > > >> the server i'm going to temporarily replace works fine.
>>> it's the
>>> >> > > dell.
>>> >> > > > > >>
>>> >> > > > > >> what i'm going to be doing in a few minutes is replacing it
>>> with
>>> >> a
>>> >> > > > > compaq
>>> >> > > > > >> on which i've installed centOS 5.2 (with gnome, kde,
>>> server, and
>>> >> the
>>> >> > > > > server
>>> >> > > > > >> - gui items added during install).
>>> >> > > > > >>
>>> >> > > > > >> i was hoping to get this compaq to appear on the network of
>>> xp
>>> >> boxes
>>> >> > > > > from
>>> >> > > > > >> where it is before switching the dell for it.
>>> >> > > > > >>
>>> >> > > > > >> it seems, according to an article in linuxquestions.org (
>>> >> > > > > >>
>>> >> > > > >
>>> >> > >
>>> >>
>>> http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/Networking/Samba_up_and_running_NOW
>>> >> > > > > )
>>> >> > > > > >> that i "*must* add users to your Samba server before they
>>> will
>>> >> be
>>> >> > > able
>>> >> > > > > to
>>> >> > > > > >> access the shares."
>>> >> > > > > >>
>>> >> > > > > >> unfortunately, when i try to add a same user as on the dell
>>> >> server
>>> >> > > to
>>> >> > > > > this
>>> >> > > > > >> compaq, i get a message that the user already exists.
>>> >> > > > > >>
>>> >> > > > > >> oo-kay. should i try to create a new user or two on the
>>> windows
>>> >> > > computer
>>> >> > > > > >> (the one right beside the dell server) so i can add it to
>>> samba?
>>> >> i'm
>>> >> > > > > >> assuming this is so that i can connect to the dell server
>>> (which
>>> >> is
>>> >> > > > > running
>>> >> > > > > >> white box linux, by the way).
>>> >> > > > > >>
>>> >> > > > > >> does anyone know what i'm talking about? i thought this
>>> would be
>>> >> > > > > (slightly)
>>> >> > > > > >> easier using the gui.
>>> >> > > > > >>
>>> >> > > > > >> thanks for the reply, bill.
>>> >> > > > > >>
>>> >> > > > > >> tim
>>> >> > > > > >>
>>> >> > > > > >>
>>> >> > > > > >>
>>> >> > > > > >>
>>> >> > > > > >>
>>> >> > > > > >>
>>> >> > > > > >>
>>> >> > > > > >> On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 4:42 PM, Bill Leuze <
>>> billeuze at shaw.ca>
>>> >> > > wrote:
>>> >> > > > > >>
>>> >> > > > > >>> Timm
>>> >> > > > > >>>
>>> >> > > > > >>> What exact problem are you having with the new server? Is
>>> it
>>> >> that
>>> >> > > your
>>> >> > > > > >>> windows workstations can't connect? what is the symptom?
>>> >> > > > > >>>
>>> >> > > > > >>> Bill
>>> >> > > > > >>>
>>> >> > > > > >>> At 04:25 PM 2008-07-23, Tim Holloway wrote:
>>> >> > > > > >>> >hello everyone!
>>> >> > > > > >>> >
>>> >> > > > > >>> >it's been quite a while since i've posted, and it's to
>>> ask for
>>> >> a
>>> >> > > > > favour.
>>> >> > > > > >>> >
>>> >> > > > > >>> >i'm trying to hook up a replacement server so i can work
>>> on
>>> >> the
>>> >> > > > > current
>>> >> > > > > >>> >server, basically to install larger hard drives.
>>> >> > > > > >>> >
>>> >> > > > > >>> >i don't especially think it makes a difference what
>>> machine
>>> >> i'm
>>> >> > > > > running
>>> >> > > > > >>> (a
>>> >> > > > > >>> >compaq amd 3000+ with 768 MB of ram) to replace the dell
>>> >> server.
>>> >> > > > > >>> >
>>> >> > > > > >>> >the server is running samba, but everything seems labeled
>>> and
>>> >> > > > > networked
>>> >> > > > > >>> >through windows.
>>> >> > > > > >>> >
>>> >> > > > > >>> >just over 20 windows xp workstations are hooked up to the
>>> >> network,
>>> >> > > and
>>> >> > > > > >>> >there's one particular xp box right next to the dell
>>> server.
>>> >> > > > > >>> >
>>> >> > > > > >>> >i've been trying to use the gui for samba, just so i can
>>> get
>>> >> > > things
>>> >> > > > > done,
>>> >> > > > > >>> >and i've been mimicking the configuration on the server,
>>> even
>>> >> the
>>> >> > > > > users
>>> >> > > > > >>> in
>>> >> > > > > >>> >windows.
>>> >> > > > > >>> >
>>> >> > > > > >>> >the compaq (replacement) computer is running centOS 5.2
>>> >> (stable),
>>> >> > > and
>>> >> > > > > >>> i've
>>> >> > > > > >>> >looked at the little help pages from redhat. i've also
>>> googled
>>> >> it
>>> >> > > (of
>>> >> > > > > >>> >course) but keep running into ways to share WINDOWS
>>> folders TO
>>> >> > > linux
>>> >> > > > > >>> instead
>>> >> > > > > >>> >of the other way around.
>>> >> > > > > >>> >
>>> >> > > > > >>> >if anyone has any clue what i'm talking about, please
>>> send
>>> >> > > something
>>> >> > > > > up.
>>> >> > > > > >>> >
>>> >> > > > > >>> >i'd better take a closer look at linuxquestions.org
>>> >> > > > > >>> >
>>> >> > > > > >>> >cheers,
>>> >> > > > > >>> >
>>> >> > > > > >>> >tim
>>> >> > > > > >>> >
>>> >> > > > > >>> >--
>>> >> > > > > >>> >;t;j;h
>>> >> > > > > >>> >_______________________________________________
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>>> >> > > > > >>>
>>> >> > > > > >>>
>>> >> > > > > >>> Bill Leuze
>>> >> > > > > >>> 947 Berry Pt.
>>> >> > > > > >>> Gabriola Island, BC
>>> >> > > > > >>> Canada, V0R 1X1
>>> >> > > > > >>>
>>> >> > > > > >>> _______________________________________________
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>>> >> > > > > >>
>>> >> > > > > >>
>>> >> > > > > >>
>>> >> > > > > >> --
>>> >> > > > > >> ;t;j;h
>>> >> > > > > >>
>>> >> > > > > >
>>> >> > > > > >
>>> >> > > > > >
>>> >> > > > > >--
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>>> >> > > > > >_______________________________________________
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>>> >> > > > >
>>> >> > > > >
>>> >> > > > > Bill Leuze
>>> >> > > > > 947 Berry Pt.
>>> >> > > > > Gabriola Island, BC
>>> >> > > > > Canada, V0R 1X1
>>> >> > > > >
>>> >> > > > > _______________________________________________
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>>> >> > > > >
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > --
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > Bill Leuze
>>> >> > > Gabriola Island, BC,
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > _______________________________________________
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>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>> >> --
>>> >>
>>> >> Bill Leuze
>>> >> Gabriola Island, BC,
>>> >> _______________________________________________
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